Comments on: Faith of Our Fathers! Living Still CWB I 673 https://www.sixmaddens.org/faith-of-our-fathers-living-still-cwb-i-cwb-i-673/ Blogging Catholic Liturgical Music Tue, 29 Jul 2025 22:41:28 +0000 hourly 1 By: Mary https://www.sixmaddens.org/faith-of-our-fathers-living-still-cwb-i-cwb-i-673/#comment-84320 Tue, 29 Jul 2025 22:41:28 +0000 https://www.sixmaddens.org/?p=20199#comment-84320 In reply to maddg.

There is a rather a lot of English/Irish history behind this one!

The tune choice is really between the UKI version (SAWSTON) or the USA one (ST CATHERINE) – rather than the merits or otherwise,

I really dislike this hymn, just because of the political leanings associated with what people think it means!

]]> By: maddg https://www.sixmaddens.org/faith-of-our-fathers-living-still-cwb-i-cwb-i-673/#comment-84191 Tue, 22 Jul 2025 01:06:54 +0000 https://www.sixmaddens.org/?p=20199#comment-84191 In reply to Gio (again).

Gio

I’m happy to agree that the American hymnals and CWB II are wrong in this case, but I must admit I had only ever heard the ST CATHERINE setting before.
Even with the Marian lines removed, I don’t recall this one from my Presbyterian upbringing, so I must have heard it from near secular sources.

You are most welcome to have strong opinions. In particular, I like to see opinions based on experiences other than my own narrow contact with church music. That’s why Chris is such a good corrective to my inexperience with traditional hymnody and chant.

cheers

Geoff

]]> By: Gio (again) https://www.sixmaddens.org/faith-of-our-fathers-living-still-cwb-i-cwb-i-673/#comment-84186 Mon, 21 Jul 2025 12:24:45 +0000 https://www.sixmaddens.org/?p=20199#comment-84186 Actually, I’m with the CWB I editors on this tune selection here. They are right. It was the contextually appropriate choice. I recently realised that since last night, I did not pay attention to the comparison of CWB2.

The Living Parish Hymnal, as well as the Fr. Percy Jones hymnals, the Eucharistic Congress hymnals (on the NLA website), Gregorian Manual (New Norcia) all have SAWSTON as the hymn tune. Living Worship hymnal implies SAWSTON as well (as earlier versions have O Faith of our Fathers with the tune)

Apologies for when I edit my comments to the point where my message is smothered, but CWB2 is 95% there – I love it, but the 5% gets to me and it jolts me from my hymnodic ecstacies. (I encountered a flock of them over the weekend, liasing with a herd of Gather Australia)

I had a big long comment essay about hymnal editing prepared, but I decided it needed more polishing and maybe LOTS of editing, so it will remain unpublished for now…

My sharpened point is that the ST CATHERINE melody with Faith Of Our Fathers is an abomination, and it should be detained to O Bread Of Heaven, (it’s fate in LP, my beloved). It would then match SWEET SACRAMENT (Jesus My Lord, My God, My All)

Oh wow… my opinions… so strong…

]]> By: maddg https://www.sixmaddens.org/faith-of-our-fathers-living-still-cwb-i-cwb-i-673/#comment-84170 Sun, 20 Jul 2025 09:26:29 +0000 https://www.sixmaddens.org/?p=20199#comment-84170 In reply to Gio.

Gio

I’m not surprised you have a different version of the text – there are many revisions, this is just the one from CWB I.

Geoff

]]> By: Gio https://www.sixmaddens.org/faith-of-our-fathers-living-still-cwb-i-cwb-i-673/#comment-84167 Sun, 20 Jul 2025 06:19:59 +0000 https://www.sixmaddens.org/?p=20199#comment-84167 This is one of the collection of Australian Marchy hymns.
I do notice there are a couple of differences from earlier versions – Verse 2 used to start ‘Our fathers, chained in prisons dark’ and Verse 3, ‘Mary’s prayers will win all nations (our country in some versions) back to thee’

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