What no keno in church.

I remember the columns now – I got to sit directly behind one for the Bishop’s inaugural mass.

cheers

Geoff

Geoff,

Just for clarification, probably 90 % of the hymn music I use is public domain, but probably 80% the hymn texts are copyrighted. This means that copyrighted texts going into a hymn supplement get reported to OneLicense as used. A supplement of twenty something songs from Gather Australia was put into Gather when it was first introduced, and I’m now looking at the feasibility of expanding that to something like eighty. This might be expanded by using two booklets – one for the seasons, and one for Ordinary Time. Just thoughts at the moment!

Also, we have four screens positioned to make what’s going on in the sanctuary visible to people in the transepts and those whose vision is blocked by support columns. They are, however, virtually useless outside of the main Sunday Mass as there is no one to operate the camera at other times, and they are left on a wide angle view. With additional screens and an operator, it might be possible to show text on screens to the side pews, but there is no realistic way that this would work for those in the main central pews. Who wants to see the cathedral looking like a gaming hall?

Chris
You’re right of course abiout Worship 4 – it is US dollars and shipping from the US is ridiculous and to be added. I’m happy to avoid new OCP and GIA hymnals entirely, but I still buy individual downloads from them as they are often the only legal way to access hymns. I’ll stay with my old copies of earlier editions as reference.

It’s no better with WorshipNow the “modern” Catholic American Hymn book – they are expensive and download only because they won’t ship outside the US at all.

It’s a pity screens aren’t an option in the Cathedral because then you are free of the hymnals and can go full public domain. It would almost be worth fitting out a side chapel for normal sized masses and using print outs for the big occasions. It would be one way to get Catholics to sit closer together.

It just should not be as hard to use what are frequently hymns in the public domain.

Geoff

Your price estimate for Worship is incorrect: from the GIA site, the price is in $US and shipping is $US193.10 (or $US489.19 expedited!) making the total cost around $A500! I was lucky enough to buy mine at half price from Willow when they had the clearance sale a few years ago. The Heritage Missal accompaniment is just a download, so no shipping. Its price is significantly higher for a shipped hard copy.

Strangely enough, I find that OCP tends to treat the old hymns with more respect than GIA though they can’t help themselves replacing “mankind” with “humankind”. If hymns are to be updated, find a good poet who will avoid words incompatible with the rest of the text! Worship’s strength is for modern metered texts specific to the gospel of the day.

I also agree, that a reprint of CWB2 in a more user-friendly format would be useful, but I have a feeling all the copyrights would have to be renegotiated as I recall that was given as a reason Willow couldn’t remove the David Haas songs from As One Voice

Chris

Thank you for your advice as always. I don’t suppose the Australian Bishops could mandate a reprint of CWB II as a three volume loose leaf collection, and with chords?

The alternative to OCP’s hymnal is GIA’s Worship Hymnal (4th ed), which is 80% traditional and is $A160 for the looseleaf keyboard edition.
https://giamusic.com/hymnals-worship-4
It does feel odd though to go the OCP/GIA well for these songs.

cheers
Geoff

When I first came across the Pius X hymnal, the first thing I noted was the poor quality of the hymns – it’s no wonder few get used today. I wonder if the Westminster Hymnal, a far better offering, got much use here since it was British. Perhaps not, given the large number of Irish priests in earlier years.

It’s far from ideal, but one possible source of mostly traditional music that is easy to get here is OCP’s Heritage Missal. The publisher describes it as 62 % traditional, 38 % mainstream, 0 % contemporary. It even includes a few Latin hymns beside Pange Lingua! It costs around $A100 as a downloadable pdf but (notionally) isn’t printable. It is nicely laid out and includes chords for almost all hymns. The overwhelming majority of hymns are available on OneLicense, so its easy to make worship aids (all be it with American spelling). Missals for congregations are unsuitable for Australia, would be very costly due to shipping, and are only licensed for one year. While my site provides ready access to a lot of public domain material, the Heritage Missal is one way of getting accompaniments of common copyrighted hymns and music. It contains 588 items (Mass parts, hymns and songs.) vs 656 in CWB2. That plus “Year of Grace”
(Connolly + McAuley), “Mass of St Francis”, “Mass Shalom”, and Colin Smith’s “Responsorial Psalms” series from Willow, and one would be all set to go!

The loss of CWB2 is a serious issue. We have insufficient copies, and there is no way to purchase either new or second hand ones. Projection is not viable in the cathedral, leaving only printed hymns sheets. Our other existing hymnal, unfortunately, is GIA’s Gather, 3rd ed. (30% traditional), and we may end up just putting the most used hymns from CWB2 into a supplement fitting to the back cover as the most practical solution. This will, annoyingly, result in loss of the melody-line.